Are you a Bezian?

Dr. Olson in "The Story of Christian Theology" states, "Beza and certain other Calvinists were obsessed with the doctrine of predestination more than Calvin himself ever had been...Beza and most other Calvinists also deduced the doctrine of limited atonement...though logical, cannot be found in Calvin himself." (pg. 457) So the question is not if you are a 5 point Calvinist but whether you are a 5 point Bezian. This doesn't seem to be a doctrine at all (deriving from scripture) but a philosophy that came from Beza's system. This is one of those times when I say - oops am I going against MacArthur?

What is you understanding of the history behind this theology? Would you say limited atonement is a legitimate doctrine that flows forth from the pages of Scripture?

Is Youth Ministry Necessary?????

Not wanting nor desiring to fully undo youth ministry, but how does youth ministry meet a biblical model of "Church" and discipleship!

In a perfect world and a perfect church, is youth ministry needed? If the godly father leads and disciples his family and children, and if the elderly of the church disciples young men in a biblical manner, is a youth minister needed? Youth ministers are no substitute for a godly father or the replacement of an older man training those that are younger.

Another issue within youth ministry is the complete autonomy and segregation from the body. It, at times, removes the multi-generational element of body life.

Therefore, what are biblical principles in support of Youth ministry, Youth Pastor, and philosophy of Youth ministry?

Other comments and thoughts welcome as well!